Hello Goals

04: Kat's Story
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[00:00:00] kat: Well, hello. Welcome to the Hello Goals podcast. My name is Kat Lee.

[00:00:03] Laura Wilkinson: And I'm Laura Wilkinson. And today we're going to talk about big goals that we've had. And I'm going to dig in with Kat. I want to talk about your journey today. You've achieved something really beautiful and is a personal goal of mine. You have survived the teen years with kids who still like you, still joke with you. Um, honestly though, what were your goals? When you first became a mom, with raising your kids with your husband? I don't know that I had goals for my kids, actually. I think I would say I had goals for me like I wanted to be a great mom, and in the long run i think thats worked out well for me because i'm the only person I can control and especially you know with little

[00:00:51] kat: kids, you can't make them do what you want.

So, but I knew that I wanted, I wanted my kids to know God. I wanted them to have a relationship with him. [00:01:00] I wanted them to. Love each other. And I wanted to be friends with them. Uh, for those of you, if you haven't listened to the previous episodes, I share a little bit of my story that, um, my mom was a nurse from the Philippines and she came to the United States where she met my dad, who was an all American blonde hair, blue eyed guy.

They fell in love. They got married. They had my brother and then they had me. And when I was nine months old, she passed away. So I never knew. Like that mother daughter relationship. I never, you know, like I would go to school dressed by a single dad. I remember when I was little, no, like in high school, maybe.

Um, do you remember when like tight roll jeans were cool? Like you like, yeah. I didn't know that you like fold it over and then roll it up. I thought everybody else just had like special pants or something because I did not have anybody to show me the ways of fashion or makeup or all that sort of stuff.

And so growing up, I [00:02:00] really just looked for role models. in, ~um,~ athletes or in musicians or in the people around me. And I think ultimately my goal as a mom was just to be that role model for

my children. ~Um,~ my, my husband and I, Both grew up in broken homes and so, you know, we didn't necessarily know exactly what we were doing.

We didn't have an exact model to follow. And so it was really more about just, okay, God , what, what, what's the very next thing? And I think we were, we were definitely going blindly there, I felt like if I could just have a relationship with my kids. and know them and be the thing that I kind of always wanted, then it was kind of all going to work out.

[00:02:49] Laura Wilkinson: Oh, I love that. It's hard though. I mean, those are great goals. Those are goals that I have for, for my family as well, but when they're so long term and they're so, Big [00:03:00] and kind of broad too. Like how, how do you keep the motivation or the site or know you're staying on track? Like how do you navigate such a big longterm goal like that?

[00:03:12] kat: Well, you know, I definitely think that in the beginning I tried to control it too much. ~Like~ I just remember I have this specific picture of my oldest daughter lying on our bed, surrounded by like every parenting book that I owned. And you know, I'm just, and I also remember when she was little. Putting her in the living room floor on a blanket.

And then if she like stretched her arm and it went beyond the blanket, well, I got another blanket. And I put that under her arm, just wanting to do everything perfectly and wanting to, you know, just be, do things just the way that, that, that I thought that I should, and keeping the end in mind. I think I gradually loosened up and realized that

[00:03:59] Laura Wilkinson: ~Oh,~

[00:03:59] kat: how my [00:04:00] kids turn out doesn't depend on this very minute right now, but a whole bunch of minutes.

And it's more about

[00:04:07] Laura Wilkinson: consistency

[00:04:08] kat: And the long game rather than a particular strategy or parenting tip or parenting hack or do this or don't do that. And I think ultimately it was really, for me, just about.

[00:04:20] Laura Wilkinson: relationship

[00:04:21] kat: If I could just

have a strong relationship with my children and have a strong relationship with the Lord.

I, I remember somebody

gave me this, um, picture that they had. I don't know if they had a dream or they just imagined it or what, but

[00:04:35] Laura Wilkinson: I'm

[00:04:36] kat: they'd always prayed for their kids.

[00:04:38] Laura Wilkinson: here.

[00:04:39] kat: And they felt like when they were praying for their kids, it was kind of like they're opening the door for God to come in and parent with them throughout the day.

[00:04:49] Laura Wilkinson: and thats kind of the mentality I always had as well and instead she

[00:04:53] kat: was like, you know, actually I think it's the opposite. I think that when we spend time praying for our kids, we're actually knocking on the [00:05:00] door and we're stepping into the things that God's already doing in their lives and in their hearts.

And we get to be a part of what he's already doing. And so I felt like if I could just consistently. spend time with Jesus, know his heart for my kids, spend time with my kids and understand who they were. Um, that it kind of helped balance out any specific big goals or plans. I don't think that I had those for my kids as far as like, I don't feel like I was a particularly driven mom.

Like my kids have to make all A's or they had to, you know, achieve this or that. Like I said, both came from, um, broken homes and single parents who were, who were, Pretty chill. And so we grew up kind of just figuring things out for ourselves, you know, with parental help, but, you know, we weren't like pushed and shoved or anything, and that's kind of the way that we've raised our children as well.

And so the real, the thing that I [00:06:00] think I focused the most on was just that relationship.

[00:06:03] Laura Wilkinson: Yeah, and I keep hearing that word consistency.

[00:06:06] kat: Hmm.

[00:06:07] Laura Wilkinson: a really big deal with anything we do, right? When we're trying to accomplish something, it's something it's just a one and done, right? That's not

[00:06:14] kat: Mm

[00:06:15] Laura Wilkinson: big thing that we're trying to do over time. It takes that that daily kind of commitment to it.

Right? So, I What was like a big, have you had any big obstacles? I mean, I'm sure being a parent, I'm just going to guess there were some big obstacles along the way. What were you were some of your biggest obstacles?

[00:06:32] kat: I mean, I think honestly for me, it was that I didn't know what I was doing. I didn't know what I was supposed to be. I didn't know what it was supposed to look like because in one sense, it was sad that I never knew my mom and the other sense I had a perfect mother because she never failed me. She never let me down.

She never did anything. And so, I think especially in the beginning, the biggest obstacle was me trying to be perfect and trying to do everything and trying to [00:07:00] do too much. ~Um,~ and, and definitely over the years I learned to let go and relax a little bit more and trust the Lord more and be more chill. I remember ~I could see the process in when my son, so I have three kids, um, a daughter, a daughter, and then a son.~

~And~ when my son was little, I remember he was crying and I guess he was a baby and I was like, what's wrong with you kid? Suck it up. I wasn't, I didn't really say that obviously, but in my head I'm thinking that. Whereas with my first daughter, when she'd be crying I'm like, Oh my goodness, you must be teething.

Let me get this for you. Let me get that for you. You let me take care of you. But by the third child, I was like, what's wrong? Why are you crying? And like, I kind of knew, but I was just so much less anxious about perfecting everything and doing everything perfectly. And, um, I think that was, that was, and I would say continues to be.

My biggest obstacle, because I also in that perfection would then worry. And I would, I like to call it, I would come com-pray-n. it's like [00:08:00] praying, but it's also complaining. Mostly like it starts out as a prayer, but then it kind of divulges into complaining. So I call it complaining. And. being anxious and worrying, and I just don't think that those things, those things helped me.

So, God has been gracious and has helped me to relax a lot more in the journey, and that has been so helpful because You know, whatever crisis you might go through with your child, there's another side, just like with your Olympic journey, you broke your foot and it was a massive crisis, but there's another side.

It keeps going. The story continues. And I think that's true with our children as well. And as long as we don't get broken by the big obstacles, as long as we keep going and keep looking forward, then, then we, our kids can too.

[00:08:53] Laura Wilkinson: I love that. it's totally relatable with the trying to control and especially like the first child or two. Like, [00:09:00] yeah I was definitely a different parent from my, my early ones to my, my last couple. Um, and sometimes I'm like, man, if I could just go back and be more chill at the beginning, this, we would have a totally different vibe. But at the same time, I think I've apologized to my oldest of times. Like,

I'm sorry. I learned on you. I didn't know what I was

[00:09:16] kat: doing

Sometimes I'll tell, I'll tell my older kids, I'm like, it's, you know, like when you have pancakes, you kind of, you might kind of burn the first pancake a little bit, but the first pancake also gets all the best toppings. So it kind of balances out a little bit.

[00:09:30] Laura Wilkinson: That's fair. I like that. That's a good comparison. Well, okay. So, What did kind of the messy middle look like in your parenting? I mean, you start off and you have these great huge goals that you want these relationships. You want your kids to know God. You want to be this mom that you didn't have, that you didn't have the opportunity of knowing. you know, and you've gotten there now, what does this in between look like? Cause there's a lot between the beginning and the end. I mean, that's like 20 plus years, you know? So, so tell us about the middle.[00:10:00]

[00:10:00] kat: I think the middle is middle school. It's when your kids stop thinking you're like the coolest person on the planet and just, you know, wanting to be around you all the time and starting to have their own opinions. I mean, like, that? They have their own opinions. They have like friends and other things they want to do besides hang out with you and they're starting to develop their personality and their character and kind of joking aside, it's a wonderful season.

But it's also scary because who are they going to be? They're starting to begin the process of leaving the nest, not physically, but emotionally and socially. And so I think that that was a scary season because I didn't know how they're going to turn out. ~Like,~ especially with when my kids were that age was when social media, ~um, was kind of really,~ it was like the Wild West.

So there was Instagram, there were no parental controls. There were iPhones, there were no parental controls. When my oldest hit seventh grade, she went to, from a private school to a public [00:11:00] school. And that was, I think, one of the first years that the public school had iPads. And so, you know, kids were watching scary movies at the lunch table next to her, just, you know, all the craziness.

And it's just this scary season when they don't know who they are. You don't know who they are, and they're just trying to develop and grow. And it sort of worked out well, for me, and I feel like this is really God's hand in the journey because, ~um,~ I don't know what all of the reasons were because my oldest is very outgoing and loves people, but she definitely didn't like middle school and seventh grade in particular.

And I remember one day asking her, I was like, Hey, would you want to like homeschool next year? And I thought for sure she would say no because she is so outgoing, but she actually said yes. And so. She, only she, uh, homeschooled that next year. So it was just me and her, and it ended up being one of my favorite things that I think [00:12:00] I did with my kids.

So then she started that and then she went into ~like~ public high school after that, and I did not ~like~ mess up her education too much. She has a degree from Texas A& M University and she's a thriving adult now. And so the eighth grade year, I did not destroy her, her education. So that's good to know.

.

[00:12:18] kat: But then when my next daughter got to eighth grade, she was like, I want to do that.

I want to homeschool. And then my son as well. And I feel like that was really formative in navigating those years. Not that, everybody needs to do that by any stretch of the imagination. ~Um,~ and maybe there was grace for me to do it just because of my motherhood and parenting journey. I don't know. ~Um,~ but the intentionality, the concept behind it of getting that one on one time with your kids when they're really trying to figure things out and looking all over the place and.

And really, even though we feel like our kids might not think we're cool when they're in middle school or high school, they still do. ~They still, um,~ regardless of what they say, our [00:13:00] relationship matters deeply to them.

And that time with them and helping them, helping them discover themselves. My goal for their eighth grade year was not a wonderful education, even though I did my very best.

~Um,~ I really kind of worked with who they were and ~like~ my oldest daughter. It was pretty structured. My middle daughter is a little bit more of . She's actually very regimented, but she's very independent as well. So her education was a little bit more self directed. ~Um,~ but during that eighth grade year, I, you know, took my oldest to viola lessons and my, my daughter to, ~um,~ tennis lessons and my son started taekwondo and to just help them kind of use that year to, to learn who they were, were, and I try to make myself a part of that so I could join in with them in these things.

And I feel like that Just that intentionality in that messy season laid a foundation for our relationships now and laid a foundation for them to discover who they were. ~Um,~ so [00:14:00] again, this, this is a descriptive story, not a prescriptive story, and everybody doesn't need homeschool. Everybody doesn't need to take their kids out of school for a year and homeschool them.

But, ~um,~ for us, it helped navigate that season.

[00:14:13] Laura Wilkinson: That's pretty cool. Obviously, I'm a fan, but because I homeschool all four of my kids now, we've only been doing it for two years. And I, yeah, some days I feel like I am super mom and other days I feel like I have made the biggest mistake, you know, it's an ongoing journey because we're still in the middle of it.

But, I love your messy middle. I love that you can see kind of the beauty in that and what it gave you guys. Like, how did you measure like your progress toward your parenting goals when maybe the results aren't so immediately visible, you know?

[00:14:45] kat: I think, honestly, it's holding on to the end goal, even when you can't see it right now. Again, kind of like your Olympic journey, you know, you're doing pretend diving on a platform and Olympic gold medal does not seem at least [00:15:00] externally super realistic and there are definitely seasons. In my parenting, when I wondered about decisions my kids made, or I wondered about personality quirks, ~um, I will have to confirm with him later that I can share this story,~ my son, I remember in seventh grade, he went to ~like~ a youth retreat or something, and He kind of just spent the whole thing just, it was like, maybe it was a lock in.

And he just sort of walked in a circle the whole time. And~ And like,~ to this day, the youth pastor, our youth pastor is like, Jackson, I remember at that lock in, you just walked in a circle the whole time. And just, just quirky. He was just happy by himself. Just, Walked in a circle, you know, I don't know how much he hung out with other people, but, you know, seventh grade year for boys, boys can be crazy and squirrely and you never, you just never know how your kids are going to blossom and change ~and, um, ~So I think just holding on to that end goal of what I envision for him, what I believe about him, and it's so cool to see who he is now as a high school senior, he leads ~like~ a revival prayer meeting at [00:16:00] school, he's part of a, this is actually super cool, and maybe, maybe we could like have one of these kids on the podcast sometime, but, um, a bunch of his friends are doing a youth conference.

just for youth in the Waco area. ~And like,~ they're literally organizing, like it's kid led, ~um,~ youth conference and they have ~like~ speakers and a band, ~like,~ it's just, it's just really cool. When, when he first told me about the idea, I was like, Oh, that's cute. That's totally, probably going to fizzle out. But it's next month.

So, and it's happening. And so~ I just, um,~ you just have to trust the process. I think that's what athletes always say. Just trust the process. And I was like, I'm meeting with you every day, Lord, and I'm spending time with my kids wanting to understand and know their heart. And right now their heart seems real quirky, but I'm trusting, ~um,~ I'm trusting in this process.

And I think that That, that, that's what helped me kind of feel like I was making progress, that I was just trusting that process.

[00:16:56] Laura Wilkinson: Do you do you like to write your goals down?[00:17:00]

[00:17:00] kat: I do usually, ~um,~

[00:17:02] Laura Wilkinson: Did you

[00:17:03] kat: with

[00:17:03] Laura Wilkinson: parenting stuff also?

[00:17:04] kat: No,

I really didn't. I think because parenting goals are so much less tangible when I have a goal that I can like write step one, step two, step three, step four, ~um,~ Then that's different. But with parenting, I didn't have tangible goals, really. It was really just the long game relationship goals that I had for them.

So it wasn't anything that I wrote down. I'd have different verses that I would pray for them or, um, different prayers that I prayed for them, but I wouldn't say that I had specific goals. And I also just want to say too, that I wasn't like, You know, waking up at O Dark 30, praying hours for my kids. I didn't, I didn't do like anything that you think that I might have done that was cool was not, it wasn't magical or overly spiritual or anything other than just being present as much as I could be, ~um,~ in their lives, which fluctuated in different seasons.

So in, in this [00:18:00] whole process, I, you know, is, Um, blogging or podcasting or traveling and speaking. ~Um,~ and so sometimes I was there a bunch and sometimes I wasn't. , I

How do you

[00:18:09] Laura Wilkinson: make, like, More specific strategies or steps when you have a goal that is a great big noble goal, but that maybe isn't as tangible like parenting, like how do you break it up into these like doable steps where you kind of know you're still on target or how do you see if you've lost your way?

[00:18:28] kat: think again, for me, it came back to just focusing on, on me. So in these different seasons, I would have these different things that I would do. So like Well, let's go back to elementary school. When they're in elementary school, every Friday, I would go and have lunch with each of my kids at school, which was very challenging when they all went to the same school, but they're in three different grades.

And so I'd have to like go from one class to the next class, to the next class and try to have lunch with them.

three hour period,

[00:18:54] Laura Wilkinson: for you.

[00:18:56] kat: Somehow, I don't even remember how it worked. I don't remember how it worked. but I was just [00:19:00] very, I was intentional about me and my time, as opposed to being intentional about how my kids were doing and turning out.

I mean, obviously I wanted them to be doing well, but My outcomes weren't based on them. It was based on what I was doing. And it was really just being intentional ~about, you know, how I was spending time praying for them, which sometimes happened every day, sometimes didn't happen for a couple of months because I just was like thinking about them or, you know, again, don't want to over dramatize anything that I did, but, um, really just being intentional about.~

You know, I had those Friday lunches with them. I would, I'm a, I made breakfast for my kids, mostly growing up because I like making breakfast. I don't like making dinner. If you've ever seen the meme where ~like~ mom in the morning making breakfast is ~like~ Barbie with this plate of food and then mom at ~like~ five o'clock is a tyrannosaurus rex with ~like~ a burnt dinner, that would be me.

So I enjoyed, leaning into the things that I was good at. So I could make breakfast because it was the same every day. ~Um,~ I enjoyed maybe making them an afterschool snack.

I didn't want to make dinner, like I didn't love doing that. So I tried to focus on the things that I was kind of good at and Let go of the things that I was not good.

I didn't do craft [00:20:00] with my kids because I'm not good at crafts. I didn't, you know, necessarily do shopping or sewing or things like that with my girls, cause I don't really know how to do those things, but we would ~spontaneously, you know, ~we had little things that we would do very spontaneously where I had little traditions that I would do with them, ~um,~ to make those moments memorable and highlight those moments instead of just trying to be perfect all the time, ~um, ~So, like, the senior year of high school, I would have breakfast with my daughter, every Friday, and then I would have lunch with my other daughter every Friday.

So, I just had these little anchors, I think is the best way to put it, so that they could go back and remember those, and I might not have done everything else perfectly or even well, but there were little anchors that they could cling to, and that I could feel like I was, ~um,~ doing what God was calling me to do in that season.

Uh well, I love

[00:20:51] Laura Wilkinson: that, um, focusing on yourself, which sometimes seems counterintuitive when you have a goal that's outside of yourself, but at the same time, you, you can't [00:21:00] control what your kids are choosing to do, right? You can only control what you can do. But what you can do may influence them greatly. And so I

really, really smart to bring that back to control the controllables and like, Oh, the uncontrollables, right?

Like in,

diving, we would say, I can't control what the judges are going to give us or what the other athletes do, but I can, Focus on my ability to execute this very well. I can stay in the moment. I can do those things. So I think that's really, smart. ~Um,~ and in sports, we have a team, we have a coach, maybe you have like a physical therapist or a weight trainer.

Like you have all these different like support people in your life. Like how integral was a support system for you in your parenting journey? My

[00:21:44] kat: I think that was absolutely key. Kind of like you had your coach that believed in you, you had those other divers that were cheering you on right when you needed it.

My husband and I lived in Houston when we first got married. And when we got pregnant, we [00:22:00] decided to move back to Waco because our church had been such a part of our college years.

[00:22:05] Laura Wilkinson: and we had trouble

[00:22:06] kat: finding a church when we lived in Houston. And so we thought if we're going to raise our kids, we didn't really have family nearby, if we're going to raise our kids the way that we really want to, then we need people around us to do that. And so we moved back to Waco. Actually, ~my job only,~ my husband only had a job for six months.

They were like, you can work from home for six months. And then we bought a house here, but we also had our house in Houston. And I was pregnant, so it was very much in faith that we moved back here specifically to be in the community that we're moving to be a part of. And God worked it out. It was like the beginning of the whole work from home thing.

So he still works from home. ~Um,~ and the other house in Houston sold by being a part of. The church and really just the community here in Waco was absolutely integral because one, I got to learn how to be a mom [00:23:00] because I was around a bunch of other women who had the same goals and passions as I did. And then at the same time, as we're raising our kids together, my kids get to be around other kids who are being raised in the same way.

And they got to see, you know, externally what, ~um,~ Pursuing Jesus looks like and what living a life for the Lord looks like and as they got into high school I am so thankful like I truly think the youth pastors at our church their husband and wife Sean and Shannon Jones ~are and then they also have um, Another youth pastor name is Allison Whistler and ~I don't know if my kids would be who they are without them.

Like finding that community and that place externally, when our kids are in that season of looking outside themselves, having them have these other adults that are not just investing in them, but are creating a culture of young people, ~um, ~who just, I mean, love Jesus. Right now, I'm actually a youth life group leader.

And I feel like the girls in my life group could probably disciple [00:24:00] me. They're Amazing. I mean, they're just stunning and having that church community, having that youth group for our kids and having those friends, I just think, ~um,~ shaped so much of who my kids are today and we would not be the same.

family, I don't think, if we had not been here. So, finding those people, however you can, in whatever way you can, and fostering those relationships, even when it's awkward, even when it's hard, even when it doesn't make sense, I think is crucial.

[00:24:29] Laura Wilkinson: boom just drop that mic And this is over there Well, okay. Looking back now, are there, I guess, I guess I shouldn't say, are there any surprises? I know there were surprises. What were maybe some of the biggest surprises along your parenting journey?

[00:24:45] kat: Honestly, looking back, I think just the importance of being present, you know, not that I had to be present in mass quantities, but when I'm carpooling the [00:25:00] kids You know, listening to what everybody is saying so that you can understand other kids personalities. Listening to what my kids say about their friends, like,~ You know, I would, this sounds kind of creepy, maybe, I don't know.~

But I had like had a note in my notes app of my kids and their friends. And like, if I learned, you know, it might be something that their friends like so that when their birthday rolls around, I can get them, you know, that kind of candy that they like or whatever. But, you know, as I'm understanding my kids better, I want to remember, you know, what they get excited about, what they're passionate about, who they're around and really fostering, ~um,~ Those relationships.

And we read all these parenting books that talk about, you know, parenting tactics and these different perspectives that we need to have. But I think just fostering that relationship is absolutely crucial. So I would do what I call stalking my kids and it's, it sounds, that sounds bad, but it's really just, you know, um, let's say my son, it goes to Taekwondo and.

[00:26:00] He doesn't get home until 9. 30 and maybe I wanted to go to bed at nine, but, um, I'll stay up and I'll just sit in the living room and he'll come home. And, you know, I'm not necessarily gonna like hound him for thoughts and what happened and how his day went, but I'm just there. I'm like in the living room.

Available. As long as my kids are awake,

[00:26:19] Laura Wilkinson: I'm awake and I'm available in case they want to talk and if they say something interesting I want to have great follow up questions so maybe they will share more and I just maintained this curiosity and i think just being curious about our kids the amazing way that God made them and their perspective on things and their funny personalities and senses of humor

[00:26:40] kat: having that, ~that~ curiosity fostered the relationship and I think those things were way more important than I would have thought back when I was reading all those parenting books. I love that I think curiosity is

[00:26:54] Laura Wilkinson: That's a really good way to be intentional, right? If you're just trying to be like [00:27:00] intentionally curious, you're going to listen more, you're going to ask more questions, you're going to pull things out. I think that's beautiful. I absolutely love that. Well, what, in addition to intentional curiosity, one piece of advice you'd give to parents who really want to build these strong family relationships?

[00:27:20] kat: A couple of things. One, like I said, just listen to your kids. I think the best parenting book that I ever read was how to talk so your kids will listen and how to listen. So your kids will talk. And again, I think different parenting books are specific to different personality types and things. But for me, it was helpful to know how to listen well to my kids, uh, because.

Gosh, the insight you can get from just listening to somebody can absolutely transform the way that you respond to one kid versus another, because we definitely didn't parent our kids exactly the same. Obviously, we want to be fair and equitable, but doesn't mean the same, because they were all very different.

~Um,~ so I think, You know, [00:28:00] maintaining that curiosity, uh, learning how to listen to my kids. I think all those things were, were super helpful in the process of just raising these kids. And then, another piece of advice, ~um. ~Spending time with God because he knows them better than I do. And he can give me in an instant, the insight that I need into what's wrong with one of my children, if they're sad, or he can give me the perfect piece of humor that helps me connect with another child.

So he's kind of like the cheat code to, I think being a great parent is just maintaining a relationship with him.

[00:28:35] Laura Wilkinson: Hmm. Love it. know, it's so interesting that like, just so many parallels, right? Between your parenting journey, my diving journey, hopefully also my parenting journey. But there's, there's this daily commitment, right? There's, there's setting goals. There's being intentional. There's dealing with setbacks or obstacles that rise up surprises out of nowhere.

There's keeping our eyes on those long term [00:29:00] visions. Um, again, it's those sports analogies, right? It's like they're so good to apply to our life outside of sport as well.

[00:29:07] kat: Yeah, yeah. ~Well, I hope you guys have enjoyed kind of this inner glimpse in the last episode into Laura's journey and in this episode into my journey, and I hope you'll continue to enjoy us here. And I hope you, ~well, I hope you guys enjoyed that glimpse into my journey. And then in the last episode into Laura's journey, and I hope you'll continue to join us on the Hello Goals podcast as we interview other people who have accomplished things, both big and small.

And Small. And my hope is that you'll learn how to reach your goals and someday can be a guest on our Hello Goals podcast. We'll see you next episode.